Läuft: Heizung mit eBus-Schnittstelle

[Papaloewe]

Ja, auch von meiner Seite noch ein herzliches Dankeschön an Sven für seine Mühe.

Ich habe einen heißen Tag genutzt und das Teil zusammen gelötet.

Jetzt habe ich folgendes Problem:

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root@beaglebone:~# ebusd -f --logareas=all --loglevel=debug
2015-07-07 21:44:45.690 [main notice] ebusd 1.2.0 started
2015-07-07 21:44:45.693 [main info] path to ebus configuration files: /etc/ebusd
2015-07-07 21:44:45.695 [main error] error reading templates: ERR: element not found,
2015-07-07 21:44:45.706 [main info] read config files
2015-07-07 21:44:45.707 [main notice] found messages: 8 (0 poll, 6 update)
2015-07-07 21:44:45.718 [bus notice] signal acquired
2015-07-07 21:44:47.000 [bus notice] max. symbols per second: 191
2015-07-07 21:44:54.003 [bus notice] max. symbols per second: 192
2015-07-07 21:44:57.234 [bus debug] ERR: SYN received during skip, switching to ready
2015-07-07 21:44:57.929 [bus debug] ERR: CRC error during receive command, switching to receive command ACK
2015-07-07 21:44:57.937 [bus debug] ERR: ACK error during receive command ACK, switching to skip
2015-07-07 21:44:58.000 [bus notice] max. symbols per second: 193
2015-07-07 21:44:59.004 [bus notice] max. symbols per second: 199
2015-07-07 21:45:05.537 [bus debug] ERR: SYN received during skip, switching to ready
2015-07-07 21:45:05.763 [bus debug] ERR: SYN received during receive command, switching to ready
2015-07-07 21:45:06.496 [bus debug] ERR: CRC error during receive command, switching to receive command ACK
2015-07-07 21:45:06.502 [bus debug] ERR: ACK error during receive command ACK, switching to skip
2015-07-07 21:45:37.596 [bus debug] ERR: SYN received during skip, switching to ready
2015-07-07 21:45:37.722 [bus debug] ERR: CRC error during receive command, switching to receive command ACK
2015-07-07 21:45:37.728 [bus debug] ERR: ACK error during receive command ACK, switching to skip
2015-07-07 21:45:57.066 [bus debug] ERR: SYN received during skip, switching to ready
2015-07-07 21:45:57.103 [bus debug] ERR: invalid escape sequence during receive command, switching to skip


Endlich habe ich hohe Symbolraten, aber der Inhalt kann irgednwie nicht gelesen werden.
Habt ihr noch einen Tipp für mich?

Vielen Dank.

MfG
Thomas

[Franz Tenbrock]

Hallo , auch ich stehe noch vor dem Zusammenbau aber es hapert noch mit der Zeit
Es wäre schön wenn einer ein kleines howto schrieben könnte, einfach mit snapshot alle schritte protkollieren,
der Thread ist so ewig lang...wäre doch schön wenn auch weniger edv Kundige das nachbauen könnten...
Teile auch da, Thanks

[Papaloewe]

Ich komme nicht mehr weiter.
Nach Feinjustierung sind jetzt die Fehler weg, aber ich bekomme keine einzige Meldung/Telegramm angezeigt.:

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root@beaglebone:~# ebusd -f --logareas=all --loglevel=debug --lograwdata
2015-07-08 20:30:14.798 [main notice] ebusd 1.2.0 started
2015-07-08 20:30:14.801 [main info] path to ebus configuration files: /etc/ebusd
2015-07-08 20:30:14.803 [main error] error reading templates: ERR: element not found,
2015-07-08 20:30:14.813 [main info] read config files
2015-07-08 20:30:14.815 [main notice] found messages: 8 (0 poll, 6 update)
2015-07-08 20:30:14.827 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:14.829 [bus notice] signal acquired
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2015-07-08 20:30:31.211 [bus notice] <fe
2015-07-08 20:30:31.219 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.240 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.260 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.279 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.299 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.310 [bus notice] <fc
2015-07-08 20:30:31.320 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.340 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.359 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.380 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.399 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.420 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.439 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.460 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.471 [bus notice] <fe
2015-07-08 20:30:31.480 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.500 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.521 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.530 [bus notice] <fc
2015-07-08 20:30:31.539 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.559 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.575 [bus notice] <ff
2015-07-08 20:30:31.581 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.600 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.613 [bus notice] <ff
2015-07-08 20:30:31.620 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.640 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.659 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.680 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.688 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.699 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 20:30:31.719 [bus notice] <00

Mann sieht bei den RAW-Daten auch keine "AA", so wie es beschrieben wird.
Was ist da los? Mein Brenner ist von Weishaupt WTC25.
Der Bus besteht zwischen Brenner und Fern-Bedieneinheit.

"scan full" und "grab" bringen auch gar kein Ergebnis.



LG
Thomas

[zentis666]

Kannst Du nicht wenn der Scan läuft justieren bis die "aa"s kommen?
Ich meine bei mir kamen die "00"er auch an irgendeiner Poti-Einstellung,
wenn ich dann aber weitergedreht habe, kamen irgendwann die "aa"s.

Ich möchte nochmal auf den Einflussfaktor der Stromversorgung hinweisen:
3 der in diversen Foren empfohlenen Netzteile für den Raspi führen bei meiner Konfiguration (Raspi B+ mit ebus Adapter, sonst nix dran)
nach wenigen Sekunden bis zu einigen Minuten zu "signal lost".

Das waren im Detail ein Samsung U90EWE Netzteil, ein iPad Air Netzteil und ein
Rydges High-Quality PC Netzteil mit 2A.
Ein Anker 40W 5fach Netzteil hat zuerst funktioniert, dann kam nach Minuten wieder "signal lost".
Letztendlich hab ich nun einen aktiven 7fach USB Hub von Dlink als Stromversorgung dran,
zusätzlich ein USB Kabel mit 2 Entstördrosseln zwischen Hub und Raspi, damit  scheint es nun zu laufen.

Könntest Du auch nochmal vergleichen ob Du mit einem anderen Netzteil andere Ergebnisse bekommst.

Gruß
Sven

[amunra]

Ich habe an den Ebus Adapter, zum testen, mal an ein USB-Modul geklemmt.
Read Befehle werden mit "signal lost" quitiert - ein paar Broadcast Informationen kommen durch.
Ich habe an meinen cubietruck ein USB Hub inkl. Netzteil, das bisher zuverlässig seine Dienste, auch mit HM-USB, verrichtet.

@Sven:
Funktioniert (auch "read" Befehle) dein Adapter so wie der an uns geliefert wurde?
Welche Ebusd Version verwendest Du?
Wie ist dein Ebus Adapter angebunden - USB FTDi Adapter - korrekt?
Bei mir muss ich den Poti "voll" aufdrehen damit ein Signal kommt - wie ist die Einstellung bei dir?

Stromversorgung habe ich auch in verdacht, aber noch nicht verifiziert (die Zeit fehlt ( ) - getestet habe ich die Versorgung über USB FTDI Adapter und Versorgung über ein externes Netzteil - alles ohne Erfolg.

Hast Du an deinen USB Adapter etwas an den Baud Werten geändert?
Weiterer Ansatz wäre ein paar Werte zu messen.

Gruß
Arthur

[Papaloewe]

Bei mir kommen entweder nur 'FF', oder nur "00", je nach Einstellung des Potis.
Aber keine"AA"s!
Der Stellbereich ist nur ganz minimal und bei ca. 3/4 vom Vollausschlag.
Könnte man nicht durch Verändern des Spannungsteilers mit einem kleineren Poti den Stellbereich vergrößern?

Ich habe jetzt mit zwei unterschiedlichen Schaltungen jeweils nach Schaltplan von Pah getestet.
Einmal mit der Platine von Sven und einmal auf dem Steckbrett.
Dann habe ich mit zwei unterschiedlichen Computern und USB Schnittstellen experimentiert, einmal mit einem Beaglebone und dann noch mit einem Laptop. Zwei unterschiedliche Stecker Netzteile am Beaglebone, 2A und 2,5A getestet.
Das machte alles keinen Unterschied!

Ich habe dabei immer die letzte EBUSD Version compiliert.

Jetzt versuche ich nochmal mit einem kleinen Labornetzteil.....

Ist denn der ebus von Weishaupt vielleicht etwas Besonderes, oder liegt es an meinem FTDI USB Interface?
Das habe ich leider nur einmal und kann es daher nicht ausschließen.

LG
Thomas

[zentis666]

Hallo Arthur,

ich hab am Anfang ewig an dem Poti rumgestellt, der Bereich in dem Werte kamen ist kurz vor Vollausschlag.
"Signal lost" hab ich immer mal wieder bekommen, mal schneller, mal weniger schnell.
Dann kam der Hinweis, es könnte ein Bauteil nicht korrekt verlötet sein, da hab ich zunächst von oben nochmal verlötet,
da ich 3 Sockel verwendet hatte, kam ich nicht mehr an die Punkte da drunter dran, also Sockel ausgelötet und Bauteile so rein.
Hat aber nix gebracht.
Ich hatte zwischenzeitlich aussentemperaturbedingt nicht so viel Zeit / Lust mich drum zu kümmern,
außerdem hab ich verschiedene Netzteile zusammengesucht und ausprobiert.
Da ich mit meinem Anker Netzteil eine deutliche Verbesserung der signal losts bekommen habe (ohne zwischendurch am Poti zu fummeln ,
hab ich nach einer möglichst stabilen Stromversorgung gesucht und bin in irgendeinem Forum auf den USB Hub und das Kabel mit Entstördrossel gekommen.

Die aktuelle Poti - Einstellung ist auf dem anhängenden Foto zu sehen. Ca. 2 Teilstriche unter oberem Endanschlag.

Mein USB Hub ist erst gestern gekommen, mit dem gibt es nun endlich und seit 24h kein "signal lost" mehr.
Aktuell scanne ich den Bus, scheint zu funktionieren.

Meine Konfiguration ist im Prinzip wie im Wiki, Raspi B+, USB FTDi-Adapter, Ebus-Adapter, dann noch DLink USB Hub und USB Kabel mit Entstördrossel (keine Ahnung ob die nötig sind, auf jeden fall scheint es damit zu gehen). Die Baud-Rate hab ich nicht geändert
Ebusd 1.2.0

Gruß
Sven

[amunra]

Bei mir kommen entweder nur 'FF', oder nur "00", je nach Einstellung des Potis.
Aber keine"AA"s!
Der Stellbereich ist nur ganz minimal und bei ca. 3/4.

Ok, bei mir sieht es wie folgt aus:

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2015-07-08 22:52:41.188 [bus notice] <17
2015-07-08 22:52:41.192 [bus notice] <00
2015-07-08 22:52:41.192 [bus notice] new master 10
2015-07-08 22:52:41.193 [update info] update MS cmd: 1008b5110101 / 093638f00f3e4c0002ff
2015-07-08 22:52:41.193 [bus notice] new master 03
2015-07-08 22:52:41.193 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b5110101 / 093638f00f3e4c0002ff
2015-07-08 22:52:41.196 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.196 [bus debug] ERR: SYN received during skip, switching to ready
2015-07-08 22:52:41.242 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.287 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.332 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.378 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.423 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.468 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.512 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.560 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.605 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.649 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.696 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.741 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.785 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.830 [bus notice] <aa
^C2015-07-08 22:52:41.874 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.874 [main notice] SIGINT received
2015-07-08 22:52:41.918 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.962 [bus notice] <aa
2015-07-08 22:52:41.980 [main notice] ebusd stopped


Ich habe Vaillant im Einsatz - daher keine Erfahrung mit Weishaupt - sorry.

@Sven: Danke für die Informationen und das Bild.
Was fehlt ist - hast Du aktiv Werte abgefragt (z.B Aussentemp oder Innentemp etc.)?
Ja, signal lost scheint nicht tragisch zu sein - das Thema hatten wir in in ein paar Threads zuvor.
Ebusd Version scheint dann eher 1.2.0 zu sein.
Ich nehme an, dass du an den Baud Werten (USB Adapter) nichts geändert hast - korrekt?
Brauche da auch ein wenig mehr Zeit mir das genau anzuschauen... (
Viele Grüße
Arthur

[zentis666]

@Arthur: das sieht doch ganz gut aus...

Ich hänge noch am Scan:
wenn ich den ebusd starte bekomme ich

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pi@ebuspi ~ $ ebusd -f -l All -d /dev/ttyUSB0 -p 8888
2015-07-08 22:58:04.237 [main notice] ebusd 1.2.0 started
2015-07-08 22:58:04.239 [main error] error reading templates: ERR: element not f
ound,
2015-07-08 22:58:04.243 [main notice] found messages: 4 (0 poll, 0 update)
2015-07-08 22:58:04.262 [bus notice] signal acquired
2015-07-08 22:58:05.476 [bus notice] new master 10
2015-07-08 22:58:05.477 [bus notice] new master 03
2015-07-08 22:58:05.478 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b51009000046ffffff04
0000 / 0101
2015-07-08 22:58:11.560 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b5110101 / 093d3e301
13f5f0000ff
2015-07-08 22:58:13.548 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b5110100 / 08ec01120
000000001
2015-07-08 22:58:13.766 [update notice] unknown BC cmd: 10feb51603013011
2015-07-08 22:58:15.547 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b51009000046ffffff04
0000 / 0101


Soweit ok denke ich.
Wenn ich nun zusätzlich den Scan starte, bekomme ich aber

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2015-07-08 22:59:56.013 [bus error] ERR: arbitration lost, retry
2015-07-08 22:59:56.106 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b51009000046ffffff04
0000 / 0101
2015-07-08 22:59:59.990 [bus error] ERR: arbitration lost, retry
2015-07-08 23:00:00.076 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b5110101 / 093d3e001
13f5f0000ff
2015-07-08 23:00:01.980 [bus error] ERR: arbitration lost, retry
2015-07-08 23:00:02.075 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b5040100 / 0a0304002
3080703150011
2015-07-08 23:00:02.257 [bus error] ERR: arbitration lost, retry
2015-07-08 23:00:02.332 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b5110102 / 06033c964
6826e
2015-07-08 23:00:02.515 [bus error] ERR: arbitration lost, retry
2015-07-08 23:00:02.572 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b512020000 / 00
2015-07-08 23:00:06.027 [bus error] ERR: arbitration lost, retry
2015-07-08 23:00:06.119 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b51009000046ffffff04
0000 / 0101
2015-07-08 23:00:10.047 [bus error] ERR: arbitration lost, retry
2015-07-08 23:00:10.134 [update notice] unknown MS cmd: 1008b5110101 / 093d3e001
13f5f0000ff
2015-07-08 23:00:12.080 [bus error] ERR: arbitration lost, retry


Ich dachte zuerst die arbitration losts sind ok, nach 20 Minuten oder so scannt er dann verschiedene IDs durch und dann kommt nach jedem Scanversuch ERR: arbitration lost, retry.

Verstehe ich das richtig: lesen geht aber schreiben nicht?

Gruß
Sven

[amunra]

Hallo Sven, HalloThomas,

etwas an euren Ebusd-Konfigs passt noch nicht.

Habt ihr die entsprechenden(passenden) CSV-Files im /etc/ebusd Verzeichnis?

Verstehe ich das richtig: lesen geht aber schreiben nicht?

Nein, ein

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ebusctl r DisplayedRoomTemp
ergibt:
ERR: no signal
oder
ERR: arbitration lost

Viele Grüße
Arthur

[zentis666]

Ok, danke, ich hatte bisher nur die scan.csv und _template.csv im /etc/ebus-Ordner.
Ich hab die 470.csv noch dazukopiert (hab eine Vaillant 470 Calormatic 470 an meiner Anlage)
und bekomme

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pi@ebuspi ~ $ ebusctl r DisplayedRoomTemp
ERR: arbitration lost
und beim 2. Mal

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pi@ebuspi ~ $ ebusctl r DisplayedRoomTemp
ERR: invalid position


[amunra]

zu 1). ist das gleiche Verhalten wie bei mir! !CHECK!
zu 2).

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ebusctl r -f DisplayedRoomTemp kann die Abfrage forciert werden. Ergebnis sollte das gleiche sein "ERR: arbitration lost"

Gut - "nicht gut" - scheinbar hat die Hardware ein sende Problem.

Viele Grüße
Arthur

[zentis666]

Also der Schaltplan ist ok denke ich, hab ihn mehrmals gecheckt. Ich hänge die Daten aber nochmal an.
Weitere potentielle Fehlerquellen:
- ich habe statt BD645 (gabs nicht bei Reichelt) den BD203 verwendet, der hatte sehr ähnliche Daten.
- es gibt vom CNY17 verschiedene Verstärkungen, ich hab den CNY17-I verwendet, Verstärkung 40-80%.

Gruß
Sven

[amunra]

Ebusd Version würde ich fast ausschließen, da ich mit einem eBUS Koppler von eservice einwandfrei Daten abfragen kann.
Bei Elektro spezifischen Themen steige ich aus -> Vielleicht kann Reinhart unterstützen - wie wir vorgehen sollen, um das Problem einzugrenzen?
Viele Grüße
Arthur

[zentis666]

Ja ein bisschen Hilfe wäre gut. Ich bin da auch nicht "vom Fach".

Die Platinen haben auf jeden Fall 100% e-Test beim Hersteller durchlaufen und ich hab eine der Platinen mal mit nem Durchgangsprüfer überprüft und nichts gefunden.


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