Einsatz von ChatGPT als Helfer?

[andies]

Ich habe das ja schon an anderer Stelle gefragt, was ich jetzt nochmal fragen werde (hier): Würde es bei den Links nicht Sinn ergeben, auf ChatGPT (4) zu verweisen? Ich kann da gern ein paar ''Gespräche'' zeigen, die mir enorm geholfen haben und dazu führten, dass ich Fragen selbst beantworten konnte. Oder reicht nur der Hinweis? In dem anderen Board war die Skepsis ziemlich hoch.

Oder ist das so selbstverständlich, dass man das nicht braucht?

[andies]

Ich habe mal zwei gelungene Konversationen mit ChatGPT notiert.

User
Wie kann ich in javascript variablen bei der kommandozeile übergeben?

ChatGPT
Um in JavaScript Variablen über die Kommandozeile zu übergeben, können Sie den process.argv-Array verwenden, der in Node.js verfügbar ist. process.argv enthält alle Kommandozeilenargumente, die beim Starten eines Node.js-Skripts angegeben wurden. Das erste Element in process.argv ist der Pfad zur Node.js-Executable, das zweite Element ist der Pfad zur ausgeführten JavaScript-Datei, und alle weiteren Elemente sind die übergebenen Argumente.

Hier ist ein einfaches Beispiel, wie Sie process.argv verwenden können, um Kommandozeilenargumente in einem Node.js-Skript zu lesen:

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// process.argv Beispiel
process.argv.forEach((val, index) => {
  console.log(`${index}: ${val}`);
});
Wenn Sie dieses Skript speichern und dann über die Kommandozeile mit zusätzlichen Argumenten ausführen, zum Beispiel:

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node script.js arg1 arg2 arg3
Dann wird das Skript die Indizes und Werte jedes Elements in process.argv ausgeben, einschließlich des Pfads zu Node.js, des Pfads zum Skript selbst und der übergebenen Argumente arg1, arg2 und arg3.

Für eine etwas ausgefeiltere Verarbeitung von Kommandozeilenargumenten, insbesondere wenn es um das Parsen von Optionen geht, könnten Sie auch externe Bibliotheken wie yargs oder commander in Betracht ziehen, die mehr Funktionalität und Flexibilität bieten.

User
Können Sie ein beispiel mit nur einem argument machen?

ChatGPT
Natürlich! Hier ist ein einfaches Beispiel, wie Sie ein einzelnes Argument aus der Kommandozeile in einem Node.js-Skript übernehmen und verwenden können. In diesem Beispiel gehen wir davon aus, dass das Skript mit genau einem Argument aufgerufen wird, zum Beispiel einem Namen.

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// Überprüfen, ob genau ein Argument übergeben wurde (abgesehen von den ersten zwei Standard-Elementen)
if (process.argv.length === 3) {
  // Das Argument extrahieren
  const name = process.argv[2];
  console.log(`Hallo, ${name}!`);
} else {
  console.log('Bitte genau ein Argument übergeben.');
}
Um dieses Skript auszuführen, speichern Sie es in einer Datei (z.B. hello.js) und führen Sie es dann von der Kommandozeile aus, indem Sie Node.js verwenden und ein Argument übergeben. Zum Beispiel:

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node hello.js Max
Das Skript gibt Hallo, Max! aus, wenn es mit dem oben genannten Befehl ausgeführt wird. Wenn mehr oder weniger als ein Argument übergeben wird, gibt es eine Nachricht aus, die den Benutzer auffordert, genau ein Argument zu übergeben.


User
how can I populate an array of arrays in Perl using a double loop?

ChatGPT
Populating an array of arrays, often referred to as a two-dimensional array, in Perl can be achieved using a double loop structure. Here is a basic example to illustrate how you can do this:

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use strict;
use warnings;

# Define the dimensions of the 2D array
my $rows = 5; # Number of rows
my $cols = 4; # Number of columns

# Initialize the array of arrays
my @two_dim_array = ();

# Populate the 2D array with values using double loops
for (my $i = 0; $i < $rows; $i++) {
    # Initialize a new array for the current row
    my @row = ();
    for (my $j = 0; $j < $cols; $j++) {
        # Populate the row with some values, here using $i and $j for demonstration
        push(@row, "$i,$j");
    }
    # Add the row to the 2D array
    push(@two_dim_array, \@row);
}

# To print the 2D array for demonstration
foreach my $row (@two_dim_array) {
    foreach my $val (@$row) {
        print "$val ";
    }
    print "\n";
}

This script creates a 5x4 two-dimensional array and populates it with strings that represent the indices of each element (row,column). It uses two nested loops: the outer loop iterates through each row, and the inner loop iterates through each column of that row. The push function is used to add elements to an array, and in the case of the inner loop, it adds an element to the current row. After constructing a complete row, it is added to the two-dimensional array. Finally, there's a demonstration of how to iterate over the two-dimensional array to print its contents.

The key points are:

• Use two nested loops to iterate over rows and columns.
• Initialize an array for each row inside the outer loop.
• Populate each row with values inside the inner loop.
• After filling a row with values, add it to the two-dimensional array with push.

User
how do I add a key-value in a hash in Perl?

ChatGPT
In Perl, a hash is a set of key-value pairs where each key is unique. Adding a key-value pair to a hash is straightforward. You simply assign a value to a new or existing key using the hash variable followed by the key in curly braces. Here's the basic syntax:

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$hash{$key} = $value;
Here's a more detailed example:

perl
use strict;
use warnings;

# Declare a hash
my %hash = (
    "apple" => "fruit",
    "carrot" => "vegetable"
);

# Add a new key-value pair to the hash
$hash{"banana"} = "fruit";

# Add another key-value pair
$hash{"spinach"} = "vegetable";

# Print the entire hash to see the result
foreach my $key (keys %hash) {
    print "$key: $hash{$key}\n";
}

This script demonstrates how to declare a hash with initial key-value pairs and then add new pairs to it. The foreach loop at the end iterates over each key in the hash, using the keys function to retrieve a list of keys, and prints out the key-value pairs. Perl automatically adds the new key-value pair if the key does not exist in the hash. If the key already exists, Perl updates the value associated with that key.

User
What are the functions of the constructors [] and {} in Perl?

ChatGPT
In Perl, the constructors [] and {} are used to create anonymous arrays and hashes, respectively. These are powerful features of Perl that allow for dynamic and flexible data structure management. Let's break down their functions:

[] - Anonymous Array Constructor

The [] constructor is used to create an anonymous array. It initializes a new array in memory and returns a reference to that array. An array reference is a scalar value that points to the location of the actual array in memory. This allows you to create arrays without naming them, which is particularly useful for temporary data structures or when passing arrays to functions.

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# Create an anonymous array with three elements
my $array_ref = [1, 2, 3];

# Dereference the array to access its elements
print $array_ref->[0];  # Prints 1
print $array_ref->[1];  # Prints 2
print $array_ref->[2];  # Prints 3

# You can also manipulate the array through its reference
push(@$array_ref, 4);   # Adds 4 to the end of the array


{} - Anonymous Hash Constructor

Similarly, the {} constructor is used to create an anonymous hash. It initializes a new hash in memory and returns a reference to that hash. A hash reference, like an array reference, is a scalar value that points to the location of the actual hash in memory. This is useful for creating complex data structures or when hashes need to be passed to functions.

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# Create an anonymous hash with key-value pairs
my $hash_ref = { 'apple' => 'fruit', 'carrot' => 'vegetable' };

# Dereference the hash to access its elements
print $hash_ref->{'apple'};   # Prints 'fruit'
print $hash_ref->{'carrot'};  # Prints 'vegetable'

# Manipulating the hash through its reference
$hash_ref->{'banana'} = 'fruit';  # Adds a new key-value pair to the hash

Summary

• [] creates an anonymous array and returns a reference to it. This is useful for working with arrays in a more dynamic and flexible way.
  
• {} creates an anonymous hash and returns a reference to it, enabling complex data structures and the passing of hashes without the need for a name.
  

These constructors are foundational to Perl's data structure manipulation, providing an efficient and elegant way to manage lists and key-value pairs dynamically.

[andies]

Und hier mal ein Beispiel, wo es schiefgegangen ist. ChatGPT konnte mir in diesem Problem, das umfangreicher ist als die beiden in dem anderen Post, nicht helfen.

User
The following concerns a Perl program. I have a loop where a variable $p is evaluated. This variable contains many strings, where there are two possibilities: Either the string contains a '#' or it does not contain a '#'.

I want to fill an array of strings. Any element of that array shall contain all strings between two consecutive '#'-strings. Can you help me writing such a code in Perl?

ChatGPT
Certainly! To achieve this in Perl, you can follow these steps:

• Iterate over each string in your variable $p. I assume $p is an array of strings, but if $p is a single string with strings separated by a certain delimiter, you'll first need to split it into an array.
  
• Use a flag or a similar mechanism to track when you encounter a string containing a '#' and when you're between these markers.
  
• Accumulate strings into a temporary array whenever you're between two '#'-containing strings.
  
• When you encounter the next '#'-containing string, push the accumulated array (as a concatenated string or as an array reference) onto your result array and reset the temporary array for the next group of strings.
  

Here's a code example that demonstrates this:

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use strict;
use warnings;

# Example array, replace this with your actual $p if it's an array
# or split your string into an array if $p is a single string
my @p = ('hello', '#', 'foo', 'bar', '#', 'baz', 'qux', '#', 'end');

my @result;            # Array to hold the final result
my $temp = '';         # Temporary string to accumulate values
my $collecting = 0;    # Flag to indicate when to start collecting strings

foreach my $str (@p) {
    if ($str =~ /#/) {          # Check if the string contains '#'
        push @result, $temp if $collecting; # Push accumulated strings if we were collecting
        $temp = '';             # Reset temporary string
        $collecting = !$collecting; # Flip the flag to start or stop collecting
    } elsif ($collecting) {
        $temp .= $str . " ";    # Accumulate strings, space-separated
    }
}

# Adding this to catch any strings collected after the last '#'
push @result, $temp if $collecting;

# Trim trailing space from each element
@result = map { s/\s+$//r } @result;

# Print the result for demonstration
foreach my $group (@result) {
    print "Group: $group\n";
}

This code does the following:

• Iterates through each string in the @p array.
  
• Checks if the current string contains a '#'. If it does, and if we were previously collecting strings (indicated by $collecting being true), it pushes the accumulated strings onto the @result array, resets the temporary string, and flips the collecting flag.
  
• If the string does not contain a '#' and we are in collecting mode, it adds the string to the temporary string.
  
• After the loop, it checks one more time if there was any accumulated string left to push onto the result array. This is necessary in case the last element(s) in the array were not followed by a '#'.
  
• Finally, it trims any trailing space from each element in the result array and prints out the groups of strings collected between '#' markers.
• Adjust the initial array @p or how you create it from your $p variable as needed.
   

User

can you extend that code such that $temp is not a variable but an array itself?

ChatGPT

Sure! Instead of accumulating strings in a single string $temp, you can accumulate them in an array @temp. When you encounter a '#'-containing string and need to push the collected strings onto the @result array, you can push a reference to @temp onto @result. This way, each element of @result will be an array reference containing the strings collected between consecutive '#'-containing strings.

Here's how you can modify the code to use an array for $temp:

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use strict;
use warnings;

# Example array, replace this with your actual data
my @p = ('hello', '#', 'foo', 'bar', '#', 'baz', 'qux', '#', 'end');

my @result;            # Array to hold the final result (array of array refs)
my @temp;              # Temporary array to accumulate values
my $collecting = 0;    # Flag to indicate when to start collecting strings

foreach my $str (@p) {
    if ($str =~ /#/) {          # Check if the string contains '#'
        if ($collecting && @temp) {  # Check if we were collecting and @temp is not empty
            push @result, [@temp]; # Push a copy of @temp as an array ref onto @result
            @temp = ();           # Reset @temp
        }
        $collecting = !$collecting; # Flip the flag to start or stop collecting
    } elsif ($collecting) {
        push @temp, $str;        # Accumulate strings into @temp
    }
}

# Adding this to catch any strings collected after the last '#'
push @result, [@temp] if $collecting && @temp;

# Print the result for demonstration
foreach my $group_ref (@result) {
    print "Group: ", join(" ", @$group_ref), "\n";
}
Changes made:

• @temp is now an array used to accumulate strings between '#' markers.
  
• When a '#'-containing string is encountered and if @temp is not empty (indicating we have strings to save), a reference to a copy of @temp is pushed onto @result using push @result, [@temp];. This ensures each element in @result is a separate array reference.
  
• @temp is reset to an empty array with @temp = () ; after pushing its contents to @result.
  
• At the end of the loop, if there are any collected strings left in @temp (i.e., the input ended without a '#' ), they are pushed onto @result as an array reference.
  
• The final loop prints out each group of strings collected between consecutive '#' markers by dereferencing each array reference in @result.
  

This approach allows you to maintain groups of strings as separate arrays, providing more flexibility for later processing or manipulation of the collected groups.

User
if I reset @temp=(); then the data in @result are deleted as well; this does not work. Do you have another idea?

ChatGPT
You're correct, and I apologize for the oversight. If you push a reference to @temp into @result and then clear @temp using @temp = ();, the data pointed to by that reference in @result would also appear to be cleared because they're pointing to the same array. To avoid this issue, you need to ensure that each time you push @temp into @result, you're effectively pushing a fresh reference to a new array, allowing @temp to be reused without affecting the previously stored data in @result.

Here's the corrected approach:

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use strict;
use warnings;

# Example array, replace this with your actual data
my @p = ('hello', '#', 'foo', 'bar', '#', 'baz', 'qux', '#', 'end');

my @result;            # Array to hold the final result (array of array refs)
my @temp;              # Temporary array to accumulate values
my $collecting = 0;    # Flag to indicate when to start collecting strings

foreach my $str (@p) {
    if ($str =~ /#/) {
        if ($collecting && @temp) {  # If we're collecting and @temp has elements
            push @result, [@temp];   # Push a snapshot of @temp and reset it indirectly
            @temp = ();              # Clear @temp for the next round
        }
        $collecting = !$collecting;  # Toggle collecting status
    } elsif ($collecting) {
        push @temp, $str;            # Accumulate strings into @temp
    }
}

# Check if there were any strings collected after the last '#'
push @result, [@temp] if $collecting && @temp;

# Print the result for demonstration
foreach my $group_ref (@result) {
    print "Group: ", join(", ", @$group_ref), "\n";
}
With this corrected approach, every time you encounter a '#' and decide to push the contents of @temp into @result, you're creating a new array reference with [@temp]. This syntax effectively copies the current elements of @temp into a new anonymous array, and the reference to this new array is stored in @result. Afterward, @temp is cleared with @temp = () ;, which does not affect the previously stored data in @result because the data was already copied into a new array.

This method ensures that each element in @result is an independent array reference, allowing @temp to be reused for collecting the next set of strings without affecting the already stored sets.

User
Isn't this the same code as above? With the same error?

ChatGPT
You're correct, and I appreciate your patience. My explanation missed addressing the core issue you highlighted about manipulating array references in Perl. When you store a reference to an array and then modify the array, the changes will indeed reflect in every reference to that array. My previous response did not accurately address this concern.

Let's correct this with a proper solution that ensures each group of strings collected between '#' markers is safely stored in @result without being affected when @temp is reset for the next group. The key here is to create a new array reference for each group right when we're about to add it to the @result array, ensuring that subsequent modifications to @temp do not affect the already stored groups.

Here's a revised version of the code that fixes this issue:

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use strict;
use warnings;

# Example array, replace this with your actual data
my @p = ('hello', '#', 'foo', 'bar', '#', 'baz', 'qux', '#', 'end');

my @result;            # Array to hold the final result (array of array refs)
my @temp;              # Temporary array to accumulate values
my $collecting = 0;    # Flag to indicate when to start collecting strings

foreach my $str (@p) {
    if ($str =~ /#/) {
        if ($collecting && @temp) { # If we're collecting and @temp has elements
            push @result, [ @temp ]; # Create a new array ref with @temp's current contents
        }
        @temp = (); # Clear @temp for the next round
        $collecting = !$collecting; # Toggle collecting status
    } elsif ($collecting) {
        push @temp, $str; # Accumulate strings into @temp
    }
}

# Check if there were any strings collected after the last '#'
push @result, [ @temp ] if $collecting && @temp;

# Print the result for demonstration
foreach my $group_ref (@result) {
    print "Group: ", join(", ", @$group_ref), "\n";
}
In this corrected solution, when we're about to push @temp's contents onto @result, we use [ @temp ] to create a new array reference with the current contents of @temp. This ensures that @temp can be safely cleared (@temp = () ; ) without affecting the contents of @result. Each element of @result is an independent array reference, capturing the state of @temp at the moment it was pushed into @result.

This method correctly handles the collection of strings between '#' markers into separate groups, with each group stored as an independent array reference in @result, solving the issue of unintended data modification through shared references.

User
I think there is no difference between [ @temp ] and [@temp] - and hence the problem persists.

ChatGPT
You're right, and I apologize for the confusion in my explanations. The use of [ @temp ] and [@temp] does indeed result in the same behavior in Perl, creating a reference to a new anonymous array containing the contents of @temp at that moment. My previous explanation mistakenly suggested a difference where there is none, and the key issue you're facing relates to the fact that simply copying the array in this manner doesn't address the problem if @temp is then modified by being cleared with @temp = ();.

To properly address the issue you've highlighted, we need to ensure that each time we want to save the current state of @temp into @result, we do so in a way that prevents future changes to @temp from affecting the stored data. Given the persistent misunderstanding, let's clarify with a corrected approach:

When you push data into @result, you're indeed doing it correctly by pushing a snapshot of @temp's current contents. The problem described initially, where modifying @temp would seem to affect the already pushed arrays, shouldn't actually occur with the method of pushing [ @temp ] into @result because [ @temp ] creates a new anonymous array each time.

To ensure we're on the same page and correctly addressing your requirement, here's the conceptual approach laid out clearly:

• You iterate through your list of strings.
  
• When encountering a string that doesn't contain #, and you are in "collecting" mode, you add it to @temp.
  
• Upon encountering a # string or the end of your list, if @temp has elements, you push a reference to a new anonymous array containing @temp's elements into @result and then clear @temp for the next collection cycle.
  
• The provided code snippet does exactly this, and it should work as intended for grouping strings found between # strings into separate arrays. Each group is independently stored in @result as an array reference, and clearing @temp afterwards for reuse does not affect the already stored groups in @result.
  

If there's still confusion or a specific scenario that isn't addressed by this explanation, it might be due to a misunderstanding of the requirements or Perl's behavior. In that case, could you provide more details about the issue you're encountering? This would help in offering a more accurate solution.


Und hier habe ich (User) aufgegeben.

[Prof. Dr. Peter Henning]

Meine ersten Computerprogramme habe ich 1976 geschrieben. Und schon damals galt: Garbage in, Garbage out.

Das Problem ist nicht korrekt beschrieben worden. Schon die Behauptung "eine Variable $p enthält viele Strings" ist Unsinn, denn dann wäre $p ja schon ein Array von Strings, dem widerspricht aber der Datentyp Skalar. Auch der zweite Satz ist Unsinn, denn hier wird von "dem" String gesprochen - also soll jetzt plötzlich nur ein String da sein? Ebenso unsinnig geht es weiter, weil DER String zwar EIN oder KEIN '#' enthalten soll - aber dann wieder von mehreren '#'-Strings gesprochen wird, als ob diese nur aus dem Zeichen '#' bestehen. Es ist daher in keiner Weise verwunderlich, dass das neuronale Netz dann aussteigt.

Insgesamt ist das durch einen Perl-Dreizeiler zu lösen (ich werde aber nicht ChatGPT verbessern...).

Merke: KI ist _nicht_ intelligent, sie "weiß" vor allem nicht, was "falsch" ist. Und große Sprachmodelle beherrschen keine Logik - wenn man ihnen Müll vorlegt, produzieren sie daraus auch nur Müll.

Tipp: Besuche unseren Workshop zu "Prompt Engineering" auf der LEARNTEC, vom 4.-6. Juni in Karlsruhe.

LG

pah

P.S.: Der Titel meines nächsten Buchprojektes lautet "Künstliche Dummheit gegen natürliche Intelligenz". Dafür sammle ich schon Beispiele und werde mir erlauben, dieses hier zu verwenden...

[DocCyber]

"Künstliche Dummheit gegen natürliche Intelligenz"

Hervorragender Titel. 
Ich fand deine Kritik an dem durchaus gut gemeinten Beitrag und dokumentierten Beitrag allerdings etwas harsch. Ich habe meine ersten Code-Zeilen auch schon 1981 geschrieben, weil ich es schon damals spannend fand, sich mit Computern zu befassen. Aber nicht jeder ist Informatiker (ich am Ende auch nicht, hab dann lieber doch eine Naturwissenschaft studiert, der Rest ist Hobby geblieben...)

[Prof. Dr. Peter Henning]

Aber nicht jeder ist Informatiker

Ich auch nicht, um das mal festzuhalten 

Und ich habe den Post überhaupt nicht "kritisiert". Sondern die Problemstellung sehr präzise vernichtet, das ist eine rein sachliche Angelegenheit.

Gerade in Anbetracht des gegenwärtigen KI-Hype erscheint das auch unbedingt wichtig.

LG

pah

[DocCyber]

Ich auch nicht, um das mal festzuhalten

Understatement für heute, Dienstag, den 26. März... 

[DocCyber]

vom 4.-6. Juni in Karlsruhe

schade, dass Karlsruhe so weit enternt ist.

[Gasmast3r]

Hy ich schreibe mal meiner Erfahrung als Anfänger hier rein.

Ich habe ChatGPT getestet, es ist nicht schlau oder nur so schlau wie die frage die gestellt wird, aber wenn man es gut anstellt und weis was man vorhat aber keine Ahnung hat wie ein code aufgebaut wird ist das eine enorme Hilfe.

Es ging um eine leistungsbezogene Regelung für einen DEYE Microwechselrichter per MQTT, wie gesagt denken musste ich selber und auch ChatGPT die Fehler aufzeigen aber ich habe nie Toxische Antworten bekommen wie es stelleweise im Internet heutzutage normal zu sein scheint, und das alleine ist mir die Nutzung wert.