LAN-Anbindung für BSB-Bus (Brötje, Elco Thision etc.)

[michalwu]

It's alive!
It was led missing. Thanks for that idea. I should've noticed this.

Brotje WGB EVO 28H

Q:

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Scanning for devices ......
Device address found: 0
Device address found: 3
Device address found: 6
Device address found: 10

Test device address 0:
Grupa urządz .: 163
Wariant urządzenia: 5
Device identification: LMS15.001A100
Wersja oprogramowania 4.2
development Index: decoding error
Wersja katalogu obiekt .: 1.0
bootloader version:
EEPROM version: ---
configuration - Info 2 OEM: 0
access code start ?: 0
? access code expert level: 0
access code OEM ?: 0
access code OEM2 ?: 0
Previously unknown device scan: 20
vendor ID (last four bytes): 172370075
Previously unknown device scan: 0401010118 - unknown type
Outside temp sensor local (10003): 10.5 ° C
Outside temp sensor local (10004): 10.5 ° C
Start test ...
Test finished.

Test Device Address 3:
Grupa urządz .: 91
Wariant urządzenia: 100
Device Identification: AVS75.390 / 100
Wersja oprogramowania: 3.1
Development Index:
Wersja katalogu obiekt .: 1.0
Bootloader Version:
EEPROM Version:
Configuration - Info 2 OEM:
Access code Commissioning
?: Access code Expert level ?: Access
code OEM ?:
Access code OEM2 ?:
Previously unknown device request : 20
Manufacturer ID (last four bytes): 255632
Unknown device
scan : Outside temp sensor local (10003):
Outside temp sensor local (10004):
Start test ...
Test finished.

Test Device Address 6:
Grupa urządz .: 94
Wariant urządzenia: 254
Device ID: QAA75.611 / 500
Wersja oprogramowania: 7.1
Development Index:
Wersja katalogu obiekt .: 102.0
Bootloader Version:
EEPROM Version:
Configuration - Info 2 OEM:
Access code Commissioning
?: Access code Expert level ?: Access
code OEM ?:
Access code OEM2 ?:
Previously unknown device request : ---
Manufacturer ID (last four bytes): 561318
Unknown device
scan : Outside temp sensor local (10003):
Outside temp sensor local (10004):
Start test ...
Test finished.

Test device address 10:
Grupa urządz .: 92
Wariant urządzenia: 100
Device identification: AVS37.294 / 100
Wersja oprogramowania: 7.1
Development-Index:
Wersja katalogu obiekt .: 102.0
Bootloader-Version:
EEPROM-Version:
Configuration - Info 2 OEM:
Access code Commissioning
?: Access code Expert level ?: Access
code OEM ?:
Access code OEM2 ?:
Previously unknown device request : ---
Manufacturer ID (last four bytes): 1612341
Previously unknown device
scan : Outside temp sensor local (10003):
Outside temp sensor local (10004):
Start test ...
Test finished.

Done.



Serial monitor gives me:

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昆⸮@address: 66
Destination address: 0
READY
Size of cmdtbl1: 17612
Size of cmdtbl2: 31722
free RAM:4790
Starting SD..failed
10.0.0.21
Waiting 3 seconds to give Ethernet shield time to get ready...
Duration until answer received: 84
Duration until answer received: 77
LAN->HEIZ QUR 6225 Konfiguracja -  Grupa urządz.:
DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 05 00 02 52 88
HEIZ->LAN ANS 6225 Konfiguracja -  Grupa urządz.: 163
DC 80 42 0E 07 05 3D 00 02 00 00 A3 B7 11
Duration until answer received: 76
LAN->HEIZ QUR 6226 Konfiguracja -  Wariant urządzenia:
DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 05 00 03 42 A9
HEIZ->LAN ANS 6226 Konfiguracja -  Wariant urządzenia: 5
DC 80 42 0E 07 05 3D 00 03 00 00 05 14 89
Device family: 163
Device variant: 5
6351 DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 0D 05 19 4F 8C
6420 DC 80 0A 0E 07 0D 3D 05 19 00 09 C5 8C FA
16418 DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 0D 05 19 4F 8C
16489 DC 80 0A 0E 07 0D 3D 05 19 00 09 C5 8C FA
17808 DC 86 00 0E 02 3D 2D 02 15 05 9F 00 1A CA
26470 DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 0D 05 19 4F 8C
26540 DC 80 0A 0E 07 0D 3D 05 19 00 09 C5 8C FA
36537 DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 0D 05 19 4F 8C
36608 DC 80 0A 0E 07 0D 3D 05 19 00 09 C5 8C FA
46606 DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 0D 05 19 4F 8C
46675 DC 80 0A 0E 07 0D 3D 05 19 00 09 C5 8C FA
46895 DC 80 03 1B 02 05 04 02 4E 09 C0 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 04
47199 DC 80 03 0F 02 05 04 02 27 09 C0 00 03 3D 05

[Schotty]

Great! Congrats!
Please also query <ip>/6220-6236 and report

[michalwu]

6220-6236

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6220 Konfiguracja - Wersja oprogramowania: 4.2
4.20
6221 Konfiguracja - Entwicklungs-Index: decoding error
0.00
6222 Konfiguracja - Gerätebetriebsstunden: 17055 h
17055.00
6223 Konfiguracja - Bisher unbekannte Geräteabfrage: 20
20.00
6224 Konfiguracja - Geräte-Identifikation: LMS15.001A100
0.00
6225 Konfiguracja - Grupa urządz.: 163
163.00
6226 Konfiguracja - Wariant urządzenia: 5
5.00
6227 Konfiguracja - Wersja katalogu obiekt.: 1.0
1.00
6228 Konfiguracja - Bootloader-Version: error 7 (parameter not supported)
6229 Konfiguracja - EEPROM-Version: ---
0.00
6230 Konfiguracja - Konfiguration - Info 1 OEM: 7410
7410.00
6231 Konfiguracja - Konfiguration - Info 2 OEM: 0
0.00
6232 Konfiguracja - Zugangscode Inbetriebnahme?: 0
0.00
6233 Konfiguracja - Zugangscode Fachmannebene ?: 0
0.00
6234 Konfiguracja - Zugangscode OEM?: 0
0.00
6235 Konfiguracja - Zugangscode OEM2?: 0
0.00
6236 Konfiguracja - Hersteller-ID (letzten vier Bytes): 172370075
172370080.00

[Schotty]

Perfect,thanks.
So have fun with BSB-LAN! 

[AntFleu]

Eine Bitte an die Leute, die einen zweiten Heizkreis haben:
Hier ist der Parameter 1000 bisher falsch hinterlegt gewesen, das lässt sich leicht prüfen, indem man per Webinterface die Betriebsart über den Parameter 1000 ändert. Es sollte zwar keine Fehlermeldung kommen, aber die Therme sollte die entsprechende Änderung im Display nicht anzeigen.
Wenn Ihr nun zuerst die Zeile folgendermaßen in der _defs.h ändert:
{0x2E3D0574,  CAT_HK2,              VT_ENUM,          1000,  STR1000,  sizeof(ENUM1000),     ENUM1000,     DEFAULT_FLAG, DEV_ALL}, // [-] - Heizkreis 2 - Betriebsart ***(virtuelle Zeile)***
und dann testen köntnet, ob es dann geht, und danach die Zeile folgendermaßen ändert:
{0x2E3E0574,  CAT_HK2,              VT_ENUM,          1000,  STR1000,  sizeof(ENUM1000),     ENUM1000,     DEFAULT_FLAG, DEV_ALL}, // [-] - Heizkreis 2 - Betriebsart ***(virtuelle Zeile)***
(also nur aus dem "3D" ein "3E" macht)
und dann testet, und es geht erst dann (und vorher nicht), dann wäre das eine sehr wichtige Info. Denn bisher wurde das 2. Byte einer CommandID immer ignoriert. Ich habe jetzt von einem französischen User die Rückmeldung bekommen, dass es nur dann geht, wenn das 2. Byte 3E und nicht wie sonst immer 3D ist. Ich würde das gerne mit Eurer Hilfe überprüfen, ob das ein Einzelfall ist oder ob man das an andern Stellen auch berücksichtigen muss.

Danke und VG, F.

Hi all,

The French guy, it's me, just before my first request, a big thanks  for Frederik and the time that he devoted to me these last days.
He recommended me to explain my problem to all of you.

I have a heat pump with 2 circuits, the circuit 1 is controlled with a wireless room sensor and I try to control the second with BSB Lan.
So I send /I10001 every minute but I saw that I have an error message on the heat pump "error 65 room sensor 2".
The error message appears every 10 min and it is automaticaly aknowleged when /I10001 command is sent again by my domotic box or manually.
The annoying, is that it starts the circulation of this circuit while it is previously in "limitation of ambient temperature" and this every 10 min.
If i stop to send /I10001 and delete all sensors (param 6201) the problem disappeared and back again if i send again the room temp.

So, i started logging to see unknown commands and after all logs if i saw 0x00 maybe request to 0x07 but no.

84798078    01.11.2019 18:19:10    10100    HEIZ->ALL  INF    DC 80 7F 0F 02 05 00 02 13 01 00 66 0B B2 C0    102    #N/A
84798489    01.11.2019 18:19:10    UNKNOWN    HEIZ->ALL  INF    DC 80 7F 0D 02 05 00 00 69 38 41 18 95    56    #N/A
84800485    01.11.2019 18:19:12    8006    DISP->HEIZ QUR    DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 05 17 DC 0A D5     DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 05 17 DC 0A D5
84800561    01.11.2019 18:19:12    8006    HEIZ->DISP ANS    DC 80 0A 0E 07 05 3D 17 DC 00 00 2E A6 B2    46    DC 80 0A 0E 07 05 3D 17 DC 00 00 2E A6 B2
84809192    01.11.2019 18:19:21    UNKNOWN    HEIZ->ALL  INF    DC 80 7F 0D 02 05 00 00 6B 41 06 FC 17    65    #N/A

These unknown messages are only present when i use /I10001.
All time just before error, i have the telegram with 10100 parameter.
The third telegram with value 65 is the same error code that on heat pump panel.

Do you think that the heating controller request anything to all room sensor? (i see no telegram with the wireless room sensor of my first circuit to compare but maybe normal, it use x60 interface)

ps: i set the 1050 parameter and I use 66 for BUS address

Thanks for your help

[freetz]

10100 is the burner status which makes sense to appear if - as you say - the circuit is turned on as a result of the error code.

What puzzles me is that the error comes despite the frequent updates of 10001. If these would not happen, an error would totally make sense, but this way?

@Schotty: Do you have an idea about the error code or if the has to be a configuration for the correct transmission of the ambient temperature for circuit 2?

[Schotty]

Hi AntFleu,
I'm not sure if I understand your problem right. From what I understand it's a different problem than the one freetz talked about (the stuff with 3D and 3E for changing the mode of HK2) - right..?

So, your problem is that you are trying to imitate a 'room unit 2' with BSB-LAN and therefore you're sending a room temperature to HK2 every minute, but when you do it, then you're getting an 'error 65'-message from the controller every ten minutes? Even though you are sending the temp and the controller gets the temp?  Thats weird..

So I send /I10001 every minute but I saw that I have an error message on the heat pump "error 65 room sensor 2".
The error message appears every 10 min and it is automaticaly aknowleged when /I10001 command is sent again by my domotic box or manually.

Did you check if the controller really got the temp every minute?
Because when we did the stuff with the outside-temp-sensor, we discovered that the controller keeps a value for approx 10min. If no value was transmitted, it also produced an error-message after that time.
So right now it appears to me that the controller doesnt get the value somehow..

Did you try to use the regular wireless room unit (just for testing) for HK2 and BSB-LAN for HK1, just to see what happens..?

Did you try to change address of BSB-LAN to 7 = room unit 2, just to see what happens?

Can you please
1. name the model of your heatpump and the type of the controller and
2. do a full request of <ip>/0-10000 (without the 'error7'-parameters please, for that you can activate the #define HIDE_UNKNOWN in the config.h), copy and paste the output in a txt-file and attach it here? EDIT: It would be great, if you could use German language of BSB-LAN for that, just for this one query

[freetz]

Yes, it's a different issue. I also thought that the heater does not get the temperature, but then the error would not reset once the next 10001 INF message gets in...

[Schotty]

True, but it's weird that the error appears exactly after these 'mystic/typical' 10minutes, which somehow comes to me that the controller doesnt get or accept the value in the meantime..
EDIT: The error does reset after the value is transmitted - at least I saw the same behaviour when I was testing the stuff with the outside-temp.

Btw: Do you know the type of the controller and the name of the model? So I can start the search already..

[freetz]

I think I sent it to you already, it's a RVS21.827D/127, it's one of the "Atlantic"

[Schotty]

Yupp, just found the email

[AntFleu]

Hi,
More logs, the temp is correctly sent before.

84776076   01.11.2019 18:18:48   10001   LAN->HEIZ INF   DC C2 00 0E 02 3D 2E 02 15 05 79 00 7B AC   21,9      
84776540   01.11.2019 18:18:48   8700   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 05 05 21 B9 7C         
84776605   01.11.2019 18:18:48   8700   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 05 3D 05 21 00 03 90 6B B7   14,3      
84776840   01.11.2019 18:18:49   8740   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 2D 05 1E 51 A7         
84776904   01.11.2019 18:18:49   8740   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 2D 3D 05 1E 00 05 4A AE 7A   21,2      
84777126   01.11.2019 18:18:49   8741   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 2D 05 93 11 82         
84777193   01.11.2019 18:18:49   8741   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 2D 3D 05 93 00 05 80 32 C2   22      
84777393   01.11.2019 18:18:49   8742   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 2D 05 E9 CE 5F         
84777459   01.11.2019 18:18:49   8742   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 2D 3D 05 E9 00 02 0E F1 CD   8,2      
84777666   01.11.2019 18:18:50   8743   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 21 05 18 44 00         
84777733   01.11.2019 18:18:50   8743   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 21 3D 05 18 00 05 46 1A 04   21,1      
84777934   01.11.2019 18:18:50   8744   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 21 06 67 9E 2B         
84777999   01.11.2019 18:18:50   8744   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 21 3D 06 67 00 00 00 B5 BA   0      
84778202   01.11.2019 18:18:50   8770   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 2E 05 1E 08 F7         
84778267   01.11.2019 18:18:50   8770   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 2E 3D 05 1E 00 05 79 70 C8   21,9      
84778514   01.11.2019 18:18:50   8771   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 2E 05 93 48 D2         
84778580   01.11.2019 18:18:50   8771   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 2E 3D 05 93 00 05 80 EA 40   22      
84778798   01.11.2019 18:18:51   8772   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 2E 05 E9 97 0F         
84778863   01.11.2019 18:18:51   8772   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 2E 3D 05 E9 00 02 0E 29 4F   8,2      
84779099   01.11.2019 18:18:51   8773   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 22 05 18 1D 50         
84779165   01.11.2019 18:18:51   8773   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 22 3D 05 18 01 00 00 22 41   0      
84779377   01.11.2019 18:18:51   8774   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 22 06 67 C7 7B         
84779442   01.11.2019 18:18:51   8774   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 22 3D 06 67 00 00 00 6D 38   0      
84779693   01.11.2019 18:18:52   8830   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 31 05 2F 41 D7         
84779760   01.11.2019 18:18:52   8830   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 31 3D 05 2F 00 0C 1E 31 DE   48,5      
84779970   01.11.2019 18:18:52   8831   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 31 07 4B 0B 97         
84780037   01.11.2019 18:18:52   8831   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 31 3D 07 4B 00 0D C0 FF FC   55      
84780281   01.11.2019 18:18:52   8000   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 05 07 A3 6E D4         
84780344   01.11.2019 18:18:52   8000   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0D 07 05 3D 07 A3 00 68 6F FB   104      
84780583   01.11.2019 18:18:52   8001   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 05 07 A5 0E 12         
84780656   01.11.2019 18:18:53   8001   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0D 07 05 3D 07 A5 00 68 DD 5B   104      
84780903   01.11.2019 18:18:53   8003   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 05 07 A1 4E 96         
84780964   01.11.2019 18:18:53   8003   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0D 07 05 3D 07 A1 00 60 80 93   96      
84781181   01.11.2019 18:18:53   8006   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 05 07 AF AF 58         
84781243   01.11.2019 18:18:53   8006   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0D 07 05 3D 07 AF 00 2E 32 98   46      
84781447   01.11.2019 18:18:53   8700   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 05 05 21 B9 7C         
84781512   01.11.2019 18:18:53   8700   HEIZ->LAN ANS   DC 80 42 0E 07 05 3D 05 21 00 03 90 6B B7   14,3      
84781725   01.11.2019 18:18:54   8326   LAN->HEIZ QUR   DC C2 00 0B 06 3D 11 30 5F 43 E6         
84781790   01.11.2019 18:18:54   8326   HEIZ->LAN ERR   DC 80 42 0C 08 11 3D 30 5F 07 6C 8C         
84787878   01.11.2019 18:19:00   1602   HEIZ->ALL  INF   DC 80 7F 0E 02 31 00 02 12 01 00 4D 57 7F   256      
84788919   01.11.2019 18:19:01   1602   HEIZ->ALL  INF   DC 80 7F 0E 02 31 00 02 12 01 00 45 D6 77   256      
84790516   01.11.2019 18:19:02   8006   DISP->HEIZ QUR   DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 05 17 DC 0A D5         
84790592   01.11.2019 18:19:02   8006   HEIZ->DISP ANS   DC 80 0A 0E 07 05 3D 17 DC 00 00 2E A6 B2   46      
84798078   01.11.2019 18:19:10   10100   HEIZ->ALL  INF   DC 80 7F 0F 02 05 00 02 13 01 00 66 0B B2 C0   102      
84798489   01.11.2019 18:19:10   UNKNOWN   HEIZ->ALL  INF   DC 80 7F 0D 02 05 00 00 69 38 41 18 95   56      
84800485   01.11.2019 18:19:12   8006   DISP->HEIZ QUR   DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 05 17 DC 0A D5         
84800561   01.11.2019 18:19:12   8006   HEIZ->DISP ANS   DC 80 0A 0E 07 05 3D 17 DC 00 00 2E A6 B2   46      
84809192   01.11.2019 18:19:21   UNKNOWN   HEIZ->ALL  INF   DC 80 7F 0D 02 05 00 00 6B 41 06 FC 17   65      
84810469   01.11.2019 18:19:22   8006   DISP->HEIZ QUR   DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 05 17 DC 0A D5         
84810545   01.11.2019 18:19:22   8006   HEIZ->DISP ANS   DC 80 0A 0E 07 05 3D 17 DC 00 00 2E A6 B2   46      
84820468   01.11.2019 18:19:32   8006   DISP->HEIZ QUR   DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 05 17 DC 0A D5         
84820545   01.11.2019 18:19:32   8006   HEIZ->DISP ANS   DC 80 0A 0E 07 05 3D 17 DC 00 00 2E A6 B2   46      
84830470   01.11.2019 18:19:42   8006   DISP->HEIZ QUR   DC 8A 00 0B 06 3D 05 17 DC 0A D5         
84830545   01.11.2019 18:19:42   8006   HEIZ->DISP ANS   DC 80 0A 0E 07 05 3D 17 DC 00 00 2E A6 B2   46      
84834689   01.11.2019 18:19:47   10001   LAN->HEIZ INF   DC C2 00 0E 02 3D 2E 02 15 05 79 00 7B AC   21,9      

- RVS21.827D/127 is the right controller.
- I already try 7 for Bus address and it is the same
- I will invert temp sensor, circuit 1 with BSB and the second with QAA58 sensor.

Thank you both

[Schotty]

More logs, the temp is correctly sent before.

Sorry, I'm not so much into the plain CoIDs like freetz But yes, 8770 says 21.9°, so therefore it should be accepted right. And 8006/10100 doesnt show the right states of your heatpump which are expected due to the room temp2, or what do they tell me?

- I will invert temp sensor, circuit 1 with BSB and the second with QAA58 sensor.

After you changed adress of QAA, try to monitor the telegrams via serial monitor, maybe that will give us any informations.

[AntFleu]

2. do a full request of <ip>/0-10000 (without the 'error7'-parameters please, for that you can activate the #define HIDE_UNKNOWN in the config.h), copy and paste the output in a txt-file and attach it here? EDIT: It would be great, if you could use German language of BSB-LAN for that, just for this one query

The result in attachment

[freetz]

I think what would help is to log the telegrams from the room controller when it sends the ambient temperature to the heater for circuit 2. Since your heater seems to be special in that way that the "2E 3D ... " telegram did not work but the "2E 3E" telegram seems to work, it still may be that in the end another or different telegram is used by the room controller to transmit the temperature without any resulting errors. We've had cases where the parameter was accepted perfectly fine, and you could even query it from the webinterface, but it had no effect on the heater. So it may be a similar case of a rather unusually picky heater ...