[FHZ] fhz1000 pc and fht80b

[Guest]

Originally posted by: <email address deleted>

Hi,

Is it correct, if I order and FHZ1000 pc and an fht80b, I can control
the heating of that room with the command line utils of fhem? Thjer
are 2 kinds of FHZ?? Are there other thing I need to know before I buy
it?

regards Richard
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[UliM]

Originally posted by: <email address deleted>

kroon040 wrote:

> Is it correct, if I order and FHZ1000 pc and an fht80b, I can control
> the heating of that room with the command line utils of fhem? Thjer

>From what I understand, you can not "control" directly the heating,
only by telling the FHT the target values and the FHT then controls
the adaptors at your radiators.

Referring to http://matthias.urlichs.de/_/smurfhomevent/:

»There's a FS20 controller for USB, which I'm currently using.
 Alternately, you can buy a sender and a receiver, and connect
 them to your computer directly. Somehow. I plan to use an USB
 sound interface for that, because I want to control the heating
 system directly, and the commercial controller doesn't let you do
 that.«

> are 2 kinds of FHZ?? Are there other thing I need to know before I buy
> it?

There are actually three (four) types of the FHZ: FHZ1000PC,
FHZ1300PC, and FHZ1350PC. The latter seems to be neither known
to work nor not to work with FHEM yet; mine most likely was DOA
and is currently on it's way to the manufacturer for exchange.

The FHZ1000PC was available as "FHZ 1000 PC Professional" (ca.
€ 120,-- @ www.elv.de) and "FHZ 1000 PC Standard" (ca. € 80,--,
seems not to be available any more); the cheaper version was
only able to unterstand plain FS20 (not e. g. FHT, HMS) and was
upgradabe to "Professional" (see  http://www.ip-symcon.de/wiki/index.php/Allgemeine_FAQ's#Was_ sind_die_Unterschiede_zwischen_den_einzelnen_FHZ_1x00_PC_Ver sionen.3F).

This seems to be a) history (as ELV only sells the 1000 "Pro-
fessional" anymore) and b) wouldn't interesst you when running
FHEM, as Rudolf Koenig wrote on this list last July (see  http://groups.google.com/group/FHZ1000-users-on-unix/browse_ thread/thread/31fe3064e4bb573f):

> Von: Rudolf Koenig
> Datum: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:50:04 -0700 (PDT)
> Betreff: Re: FHZ 1000 pc
>
> Meine "guenstige" Version aus 2005 kann mit fhem auch FHT80b's
> ansteuern,  allerdings empfaengt den KS300-2 nicht.

(»My "cheap" version from 2005 is able to control FHT80b when
used with FHEM, but it's not able to receive KS300-2.«)

>From what I understand, the currently sold FHZ1000PC is suffi-
cient for FS20 and FHT; the ca. 40% more expensive FHZ1300PC
and FHZ1350PC add support for Wetherstation KS300 data (FHZ1300PC
and FHZ1350PC) and "Alarmwähler" (emergency dial out device) AW50
(supported on FHZ1350PC only).

The reason why I bought an FHZ1350PC instead of proven, identi-
cal priced (at least here in Germany) FHZ1300PC, or the cheaper
FHZ1000PC was simple: immediate availability in the shop I wanted
to place my orders. They only had the 1350 in stock, 1000 and 1300
would have meant up to two weeks delay, which I didn't want to
wait out

HTH,
         kai

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[UliM]

Originally posted by: <email address deleted>

On 10 feb, 11:57, Kai 'wusel' Siering wrote:
> kroon040 wrote:
> > Is it correct, if I order and FHZ1000 pc and an fht80b, I can control
> > the heating of that room with the command line utils of fhem? Thjer
>
> From what I understand, you can not "control" directly the heating,
> only by telling the FHT the target values and the FHT then controls
> the adaptors at your radiators.
>
> Referring tohttp://matthias.urlichs.de/_/smurfhomevent/:
>
> »There's a FS20 controller for USB, which I'm currently using.

Is that the FHZ1350?

>  Alternately, you can buy a sender and a receiver, and connect
>  them to your computer directly. Somehow. I plan to use an USB
>  sound interface for that, because I want to control the heating
>  system directly, and the commercial controller doesn't let you do
>  that.«

The software now you can set the values, the fht controls them, and
you can read the actual temps???

I thougt in the documentation that if you set below 5 it's off and
above 30,5 it's on, so you can control it than??

regards Richard

>
> > are 2 kinds of FHZ?? Are there other thing I need to know before I buy
> > it?
>
> There are actually three (four) types of the FHZ: FHZ1000PC,
> FHZ1300PC, and FHZ1350PC. The latter seems to be neither known
> to work nor not to work with FHEM yet; mine most likely was DOA
> and is currently on it's way to the manufacturer for exchange.
>
> The FHZ1000PC was available as "FHZ 1000 PC Professional" (ca.
> € 120,-- @www.elv.de) and "FHZ 1000 PC Standard" (ca. € 80,--,
> seems not to be available any more); the cheaper version was
> only able to unterstand plain FS20 (not e. g. FHT, HMS) and was
> upgradabe to "Professional"  (seehttp://www.ip-symcon.de/wiki/index.php/Allgemeine_FAQ's# Was_sind_die_...).
>
> This seems to be a) history (as ELV only sells the 1000 "Pro-
> fessional" anymore) and b) wouldn't interesst you when running
> FHEM, as Rudolf Koenig wrote on this list last July  (seehttp://groups.google.com/group/FHZ1000-users-on-unix/bro wse_thread/th...
>
> > Von: Rudolf Koenig
> > Datum: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:50:04 -0700 (PDT)
> > Betreff: Re: FHZ 1000 pc
>
> > Meine "guenstige" Version aus 2005 kann mit fhem auch FHT80b's
> > ansteuern,  allerdings empfaengt den KS300-2 nicht.
>
> (»My "cheap" version from 2005 is able to control FHT80b when
> used with FHEM, but it's not able to receive KS300-2.«)
>
> From what I understand, the currently sold FHZ1000PC is suffi-
> cient for FS20 and FHT; the ca. 40% more expensive FHZ1300PC
> and FHZ1350PC add support for Wetherstation KS300 data (FHZ1300PC
> and FHZ1350PC) and "Alarmwähler" (emergency dial out device) AW50
> (supported on FHZ1350PC only).
>
> The reason why I bought an FHZ1350PC instead of proven, identi-
> cal priced (at least here in Germany) FHZ1300PC, or the cheaper
> FHZ1000PC was simple: immediate availability in the shop I wanted
> to place my orders. They only had the 1350 in stock, 1000 and 1300
> would have meant up to two weeks delay, which I didn't want to
> wait out
>
> HTH,
>                         kai
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[UliM]

                                             

Hi,


Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009 schrieb kroon040:
> On 10 feb, 11:57, Kai 'wusel' Siering wrote:
> > kroon040 wrote:
> > > Is it correct, if I order and FHZ1000 pc and an fht80b, I can control
> > > the heating of that room with the command line utils of fhem? Thjer

just to put things straight:

The thermostat on the radiator in your room is replaced by a FHT8V actor. The
actor is controlled by a FHT80b device. FHT80b measures the current room
temperature and opens the valve in the actor to a certain level between 0%
and 100% according to the difference between measured and desired
temperature. FHT80b can be manually set to certain temperature profiles
according to time-of-day and day-of-week and has some more features.

FHZ1000PC, FHZ1300PC or FHZ1350PC come into play if you want to have
programmatic control over what FHT80b does to the radiator. fhem is, among
other things, able to adjust all settings of FHT80b and read FHT80b's values
(temperature, valve setting, ...) by sending and receiving data to/from
FHT80b via FHZ.

Exemplary use cases: 1. Rise temperature in bath room to 26 degrees centigrade
from my PC because I like to take a bath later. 2. Switch back all
temperatures to normal on next Sunday because then I will be back from
travel.

Regards,
Boris


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